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		<title>Comment on The day has come: 19 May 1536 by May 19th, 1536: A Tribute to Anne Boleyn &#124; Let Them Grumble</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[May 19th, 1536: A Tribute to Anne Boleyn &#124; Let Them Grumble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] For last year&#8217;s tribute to Anne Boleyn, click here. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For last year&#8217;s tribute to Anne Boleyn, click here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anne Boleyn: More than a Vagina by Libby</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS - love your comment about the king having a knack for growing cucumbers or interior decorating! LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; love your comment about the king having a knack for growing cucumbers or interior decorating! LOL</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anne Boleyn: More than a Vagina by Libby</title>
		<link>http://letthemgrumble.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/anne-boleyn-more-than-a-vagina/#comment-5045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Beverly! Sorry for not replying sooner; I&#039;m on leave of absence for blogging and only pop in once in a while.

Yes, I realize I&#039;m looking at this with 21st century eyes. That was the point of my post. It&#039;s expected for both Anne and Catherine&#039;s miscarriages and stillborns to be seen as failures by their contemporaries. That was a woman&#039;s &quot;duty,&quot; to provide a male heir, especially as a queen. 

However, I wrote this post for 21st century eyes, especially people who know more about Anne (and Catherine, for that matter). Most people who are an active participant in the online Tudor community know what you and I know about A.B. and C.o.A. -- that they were outstanding women in terms of intellect, faith, and actions in their society and ours. 

So yes, in looking at their failed pregnancies as *failures* we&#039;re adjusting a 16th century concept to our own. Had either woman lived in today&#039;s society, their miscarriages and stillborns would be seen purely as tragedies. 
While it might not be fair to combine concepts of societies hundreds of years apart, we&#039;re doing it by labeling Anne and Catherine as feminist icons for today&#039;s generation of young women -- and if we&#039;re treating them by these strong, feminine standards, shouldn&#039;t we be treating their biological misfortunes with similar standards?

What I&#039;m attempting to say is that today, in the 21st century, we don&#039;t label unfortunate, biological occurrences as failures, and I think we should be acknowledging the fact that a miscarriage in history is the same as it is today. A tragic event. Especially where we&#039;re bringing other aspects of their lives into today&#039;s modern ideas (like feminism, etc).

What may or may not have happened if Catherine had given birth to a son that lived through to adulthood is too conflicting for me to imagine. History would have been very different!

Thanks so much for the great comment, Beverly! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beverly! Sorry for not replying sooner; I&#8217;m on leave of absence for blogging and only pop in once in a while.</p>
<p>Yes, I realize I&#8217;m looking at this with 21st century eyes. That was the point of my post. It&#8217;s expected for both Anne and Catherine&#8217;s miscarriages and stillborns to be seen as failures by their contemporaries. That was a woman&#8217;s &#8220;duty,&#8221; to provide a male heir, especially as a queen. </p>
<p>However, I wrote this post for 21st century eyes, especially people who know more about Anne (and Catherine, for that matter). Most people who are an active participant in the online Tudor community know what you and I know about A.B. and C.o.A. &#8212; that they were outstanding women in terms of intellect, faith, and actions in their society and ours. </p>
<p>So yes, in looking at their failed pregnancies as *failures* we&#8217;re adjusting a 16th century concept to our own. Had either woman lived in today&#8217;s society, their miscarriages and stillborns would be seen purely as tragedies.<br />
While it might not be fair to combine concepts of societies hundreds of years apart, we&#8217;re doing it by labeling Anne and Catherine as feminist icons for today&#8217;s generation of young women &#8212; and if we&#8217;re treating them by these strong, feminine standards, shouldn&#8217;t we be treating their biological misfortunes with similar standards?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m attempting to say is that today, in the 21st century, we don&#8217;t label unfortunate, biological occurrences as failures, and I think we should be acknowledging the fact that a miscarriage in history is the same as it is today. A tragic event. Especially where we&#8217;re bringing other aspects of their lives into today&#8217;s modern ideas (like feminism, etc).</p>
<p>What may or may not have happened if Catherine had given birth to a son that lived through to adulthood is too conflicting for me to imagine. History would have been very different!</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the great comment, Beverly! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Anne Boleyn: More than a Vagina by beverlydiehl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 05:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Anne wasn&#039;t just a vagina, and she didn&#039;t willingly &quot;fail&quot; to bear healthy male children, but you&#039;re carrying a modern perspective to the 1500&#039;s.

Fair or unfair, bearing children was THE primary job function of a medieval queen, just like a medieval king was supposed to be good at war and diplomacy, even if he was good at, say, growing cucumbers or interior decorating. No matter how good the queen&#039;s other qualities were, she was supposed to make babies, or considerately die off or get to a nunnery, so he could make them with someone else.

Mind you, I love Anne Boleyn. She was smart and fiery and witty and amazing. But if you look at Catherine of Aragon before her: Royalty - check. Highly intelligent and educated - check. Gracious and generous - check. Excellent regent in times of peace or war - check. Deeply pious - check. Beloved by one&#039;s subjects - check. She was even an excellent seamstress. The only way that *Catherine* failed was she could not produce a living son (not for lack of trying).

If Catherine&#039;s boys had lived, Henry might still have fallen for Anne, might have been influenced by her, become her Henri to his Diane de Poitiers. But it is impossible to imagine Anne would have become queen, unless Catherine died, and even then, if even one of Catherine&#039;s boys had lived, the court would have been a very different place. Henry would *not* have broken with the Pope and the Catholic Church to marry Anne.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Anne wasn&#8217;t just a vagina, and she didn&#8217;t willingly &#8220;fail&#8221; to bear healthy male children, but you&#8217;re carrying a modern perspective to the 1500&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Fair or unfair, bearing children was THE primary job function of a medieval queen, just like a medieval king was supposed to be good at war and diplomacy, even if he was good at, say, growing cucumbers or interior decorating. No matter how good the queen&#8217;s other qualities were, she was supposed to make babies, or considerately die off or get to a nunnery, so he could make them with someone else.</p>
<p>Mind you, I love Anne Boleyn. She was smart and fiery and witty and amazing. But if you look at Catherine of Aragon before her: Royalty &#8211; check. Highly intelligent and educated &#8211; check. Gracious and generous &#8211; check. Excellent regent in times of peace or war &#8211; check. Deeply pious &#8211; check. Beloved by one&#8217;s subjects &#8211; check. She was even an excellent seamstress. The only way that *Catherine* failed was she could not produce a living son (not for lack of trying).</p>
<p>If Catherine&#8217;s boys had lived, Henry might still have fallen for Anne, might have been influenced by her, become her Henri to his Diane de Poitiers. But it is impossible to imagine Anne would have become queen, unless Catherine died, and even then, if even one of Catherine&#8217;s boys had lived, the court would have been a very different place. Henry would *not* have broken with the Pope and the Catholic Church to marry Anne.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anne Boleyn: More than a Vagina by Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 00:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Gail! I completely agree. :) Thanks for stopping by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Gail! I completely agree. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anne Boleyn: More than a Vagina by Gail Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gail Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that things that happen that you have no control over, should not really count as failures or accomplishments. With that in mind, I think Anne&#039;s greatest failure was not recognizing that power and influence were fleeting, and she still needed friends at court, so she made some deadly enemies as a result. I think one of Anne&#039;s great accomplishments was securing Elizabeth&#039;s future as best she could, by entrusting her care to Matthew Parker, who saw to it that Elizabeth received the education and upbringing that would give her the opportunity to become queen, and the confidence to rule and become one of England&#039;s greatest monarchs. Thus Elizabeth&#039;s legacy turned out differently from Mary&#039;s (who I think was dealt a really bad hand in life).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that things that happen that you have no control over, should not really count as failures or accomplishments. With that in mind, I think Anne&#8217;s greatest failure was not recognizing that power and influence were fleeting, and she still needed friends at court, so she made some deadly enemies as a result. I think one of Anne&#8217;s great accomplishments was securing Elizabeth&#8217;s future as best she could, by entrusting her care to Matthew Parker, who saw to it that Elizabeth received the education and upbringing that would give her the opportunity to become queen, and the confidence to rule and become one of England&#8217;s greatest monarchs. Thus Elizabeth&#8217;s legacy turned out differently from Mary&#8217;s (who I think was dealt a really bad hand in life).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to my Blog Launch! by storyfairy</title>
		<link>http://letthemgrumble.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/919/#comment-4763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[storyfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. I think I’ll go through with it.  I know it will be lots of work, and so I need to stop putting it off! :P
I have already created a new blog called “Story Fairy’s Library” (&quot;Lily On the Rampage&quot; could be misleading). That will be where I put all the posts from both my old blogs as well as new stuff that has to do with fairy tales, my writing, and everything else I read.
I am going to start consolidating my blogs by putting all the old posts from my fairy tale blog on Story Fairy’s Library. As I do that, I would like for you and all my other followers to read the old posts, tell me which ones you like best, and give me suggestions on what types of similar posts you would like to see in the future. The posts on my fairy tale blog will be the first to be put on my new blog, but once I start doing the same with my writing blog posts, I would like for you guys to do the same with those.
So here is the web address for my new blog: http://thestoryfairyslibrary.wordpress.com/. There’s nothing on it yet, but please follow it, keep track of the posts, and comment on which of the old posts from my writing and fairy tale blogs you like the best and want to see more of. I’m looking forward to seeing what you have to say. Take care! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I think I’ll go through with it.  I know it will be lots of work, and so I need to stop putting it off! <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I have already created a new blog called “Story Fairy’s Library” (&#8220;Lily On the Rampage&#8221; could be misleading). That will be where I put all the posts from both my old blogs as well as new stuff that has to do with fairy tales, my writing, and everything else I read.<br />
I am going to start consolidating my blogs by putting all the old posts from my fairy tale blog on Story Fairy’s Library. As I do that, I would like for you and all my other followers to read the old posts, tell me which ones you like best, and give me suggestions on what types of similar posts you would like to see in the future. The posts on my fairy tale blog will be the first to be put on my new blog, but once I start doing the same with my writing blog posts, I would like for you guys to do the same with those.<br />
So here is the web address for my new blog: <a href="http://thestoryfairyslibrary.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thestoryfairyslibrary.wordpress.com/</a>. There’s nothing on it yet, but please follow it, keep track of the posts, and comment on which of the old posts from my writing and fairy tale blogs you like the best and want to see more of. I’m looking forward to seeing what you have to say. Take care! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to my Blog Launch! by Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you&#039;re enjoying Storm&#039;s blog so far. She&#039;s told me she&#039;s really loving being in Blogland. :)
I think it is a wonderful idea. It&#039;s difficult (and a wee bit confusing) for followers to keep up with one blogger on two blogs -- especially where most people are already subscribed to more than a dozen other blogs. It&#039;s easy to get lost in the Reader, so I think having one blog will increase your stats and whatnot. That&#039;s just what I think. 
Good luck with the merge, it sounds like it&#039;ll be a lot of work! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re enjoying Storm&#8217;s blog so far. She&#8217;s told me she&#8217;s really loving being in Blogland. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I think it is a wonderful idea. It&#8217;s difficult (and a wee bit confusing) for followers to keep up with one blogger on two blogs &#8212; especially where most people are already subscribed to more than a dozen other blogs. It&#8217;s easy to get lost in the Reader, so I think having one blog will increase your stats and whatnot. That&#8217;s just what I think.<br />
Good luck with the merge, it sounds like it&#8217;ll be a lot of work! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to my Blog Launch! by storyfairy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[storyfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, wow!  It&#039;s so exciting to be following Storm&#039;s blog!
As I told Storm, I will be merging my two blogs soon.  I will transfer everything on my fairy tale blog onto my writing blog, delete my fairy tale blog, categorize everything accordingly on my writing blog, and rename my writing blog as a general literary blog. (Probably &quot;Lily On the Rampage&quot; after one of my personal essays).  It will still include my writing and everything I am doing with fairy tales, but it will also have discussions of everything else I read.  I am hoping this will increase both my blog traffic and the variation in what I read.
Do you think what I&#039;m doing is a good idea?  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow!  It&#8217;s so exciting to be following Storm&#8217;s blog!<br />
As I told Storm, I will be merging my two blogs soon.  I will transfer everything on my fairy tale blog onto my writing blog, delete my fairy tale blog, categorize everything accordingly on my writing blog, and rename my writing blog as a general literary blog. (Probably &#8220;Lily On the Rampage&#8221; after one of my personal essays).  It will still include my writing and everything I am doing with fairy tales, but it will also have discussions of everything else I read.  I am hoping this will increase both my blog traffic and the variation in what I read.<br />
Do you think what I&#8217;m doing is a good idea?  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Storm Bennett-Clark! by Libby</title>
		<link>http://letthemgrumble.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/interview-with-storm-bennett-clark/#comment-4603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome, Storm! I&#039;m really loving your blog so far. Keep up the good work! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Storm! I&#8217;m really loving your blog so far. Keep up the good work! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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